Taken from JRE #1719 w/Michael Shellenberger:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NxzDE5TmviUV8te2eZjMP?si=12K8bNtRSDuc3f-7x0SAmw

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Taken from JRE #1719 w/Michael Shellenberger:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NxzDE5TmviUV8te2eZjMP?si=12K8bNtRSDuc3f-7x0SAmw