Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature | Lex Fridman Podcast #482

Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.
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*OUTLINE:*
0:00 – Introduction
3:07 – Philosophy of freedom
6:15 – No alcohol
14:20 – No phone
20:16 – Discipline
41:28 – Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics
56:50 – Arrest in France
1:13:01 – Romanian elections
1:23:56 – Power and corruption
1:33:29 – Intense education
1:45:29 – Nikolai Durov
1:49:58 – Programming and video games
1:54:11 – VK origins & engineering
2:11:24 – Hiring a great team
2:20:40 – Telegram engineering & design
2:39:42 – Encryption
2:44:39 – Open source
2:49:26 – Edward Snowden
2:51:58 – Intelligence agencies
2:53:10 – Iran and Russia government pressure
2:56:19 – Apple
3:03:16 – Poisoning
3:35:31 – Money
3:44:23 – TON
3:54:13 – Bitcoin
3:57:12 – Two chairs dilemma
4:03:52 – Children
4:15:02 – Father
4:19:33 – Quantum immortality
4:26:05 – Kafka

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